When a war starts, someone always argues it will be good for the economy. In Episode 028, recorded as the US entered a new conflict in the Middle East, Luke Tatum, Nicky P and Rob Brayton use Frédéric Bastiat's broken window fallacy to show why destroying things can't make anyone richer, what war spending pulls away from the rest of the economy, and how it reaches your wallet through inflation and higher prices. They close with what really drove the economy after World War II.
“You don’t instantly become an angel when you get elected to a public office.”
Nicky opens with a simple question: what is war really good for, economically? My first answer is absolutely nothing. Then we get into why so many people still believe war helps the economy, and why an idea from the 1800s explains the mistake better than anything on TV.
What We Covered
The broken window fallacy. Frédéric Bastiat described a shopkeeper whose window gets broken. Someone will tell him it's good news, because it creates work for the window maker. But the $500 he spends on a new window is $500 he can't spend on a suit, presents or groceries. Destruction just means you're poorer.
The unseen side. Rob takes it further. War pulls some of the best minds and a huge share of capital into building things designed to be blown up once. What could those people and that money have built instead? That's the part nobody sees.
Misallocated resources. The same logic applies beyond war. I point to all the lawyers and accountants tied up in a tax code and a mountain of laws that didn't need to exist, people who could have built something else.
“It’s the unseen side of the equation.”
What does this mean for you? Most of us have no say in a war, but we all pay for it. Rob expects some of everything: inflation, higher prices and a weaker dollar. Gold had jumped again the morning we recorded, which he reads as another sign of the dollar losing value.
Didn't World War II help? Nicky plays devil's advocate with the old lesson that war pulled America out of the Great Depression. Rob calls that propaganda that ignores everything the war took away.
Buying a share isn't funding the company. Nicky asks where ethics come in for people who won't buy defense stocks. My small technical point: buying a share on the stock market pays the previous owner, not the company, unless it's newly issued stock.
“Saving is the good part.”
Spending nobody can account for. Rob points out how hard it is to see where defense money actually goes, and how differently the rules would apply if you or I couldn't account for our own money at tax time.
What happened after 1945. If you want to take apart the idea that war ended the Great Depression, read Murray Rothbard's America's Great Depression. The boom came after the war, when people came home, went back to private life and started businesses.
Savings built the postwar boom. Nicky adds that Americans saved heavily during the war, so they came home with capital ready to put to work. That's where the growth came from.
Key Takeaway
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Key Moments
[1:00] The Broken Window Fallacy
[4:00] What Else Would You Have Bought?
[5:00] Where the Best Minds Go
[7:00] Misallocated Resources
[13:00] What Does This Mean for You?
[14:00] Inflation, Gas and Gold
[15:00] Didn't World War II Help?
[18:00] Buying a Share Isn't Funding the Company
[22:00] What Happened After 1945
[25:00] Savings Built the Postwar Boom
“It is the private activity of individual people”
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FAQ
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No. In Episode 028, Luke Tatum, Nicky P and Rob Brayton explain that war destroys people, property and capital. Defense contractors may profit, but the money and talent that go into war can't go into anything else, so the economy as a whole ends up poorer.
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It's an idea from the 19th-century economist Frédéric Bastiat. Breaking a window creates work for the window maker, so some argue it helps the economy. But the owner now has to spend money on a window instead of something else. You see the new window, but not the suit or groceries that never got bought.
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Rob Brayton expects war to show up as inflation, higher prices and a weaker dollar. Government spending on war adds to the debt, and the cost of that tends to reach everyone through the falling value of their money.
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Luke Tatum recommends Murray Rothbard's America's Great Depression on this question. His view is that the real recovery came after the war, when people returned to private life and started businesses. Nicky P adds that heavy wartime saving gave them capital to start with.
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Between The Lies: Episode 028 Transcript
Nicky P: War Who? What is it good for stealing from your wallets for K Street? Because despite what we are told, no war is not good for economies. Welcome to the Between The Lies Podcast, your weekly lesson on how to approach an uncertain world with positivity and balance, and it is feeling very uncertain today.
Let me tell you. I'm Nicky P here with my good friends and money brains, Luke Tatum and Rob Brayton from Perfect Spiral Capital, as they help us navigate the snares and pitfalls in a world of trust me bro economics. Stick around until the end of the video for their free toolkit and be sure to like and subscribe if you enjoy what we offer gentlemen.
Is War Good for the Economy? [0:00]
Nicky P: What is war really good for in terms of economics?
Luke Tatum: Absolutely nothing. That's my first pass answer. Rob, what's your take? Pass it to you.
Rob Brayton: Yeah. I am not a fan. I just don't, it's death and destruction. I mean, I don't see how somebody can say that. That's good.
The Broken Window Fallacy [1:00]
Nicky P: I'm glad that you use that word destruction because you know, we often think of wars as these abstract concepts, and the thing that always comes to mind is the broken window fallacies.
It's called this idea that, whoa, as long as we keep smashing windows, they got her replaced. That's good for the window economy, right? People, yo keep breaking windows, so we gotta buy more. Keep them. Window makers employed. But the economy is more than just Raytheon and Halliburton. And if all we are gonna do is pump money into those companies, we're not really looking at what the broader economy actually is.
So what do you, what do you get a little bit more in depth that I'm capable of here?
Bastiat and the Unseen [1:00]
Luke Tatum: Well, sure. You know, I'll take a quick pass at it and then Rob, I'll pass it to you for some. Maybe, you know, your, your take and angle on this, but, we're referencing, you know, the broken window fallacy, the idea that was kind of put out there by Frédéric Bastiat.
If anyone hasn't read his little pamphlet, the law from 17, whatever, you know, hundreds years old at this point. And, that along with his other writings, you know, really. Gets into these ideas of we are taught to think X and Y and Z about how things work. But why? Why does that make sense? You know, this is actually how I got into the world of sort of free markets, libertarianism, lowercase, l libertarianism.
I'm not really a party politics guy. But. This idea that like, hey, you know, maybe public servants are still just people and they still have their own greed and, and you know, things that affect them and cause them to act in their own self-interested ways and not just, you know, for their own, you don't instantly become an angel when you get elected to a public office.
Right. And so this idea of the broken window fallacy specifically though is the idea that, well. You break a window and you think, oh, that's terrible. My window is broken. You know, like let's say you run a shop. Well, my shop window is broken. That's bad. But the, you know, economic policy wonk from the DC Beltway is gonna show up and tell you, actually, you are an idiot.
It's good that your window is broken because that gives work to the man who replaces Windows the Window company. You know, that's a good thing. You're boosting the economy by breaking this window and having to replace it. Now, the. Obvious thing that you kind of have to take a step back. The thing that Bastiat encourages us to do is to say, well, wait a second.
What Else Would You Have Bought? [4:00]
Luke Tatum: What were you gonna spend that money on if your window didn't break right? Let's say it's a $500. I'm just using a round number. It's a $500 window. Cool. I could have bought a suit for 500 bucks. I could have. Bought birthday presents, Christmas presents. I could have, you know, fed my family for a few weeks, you know, whatever.
Right. There's a lot of other things that you would've had to do. So it actually is destruction the end of the day. It's like, now I have to do the things I was gonna do anyway and buy a window, and that's not, that's not good for me. You know, what if I have to forego something else in order to replace that window.
That's not a net positive for the economy. Right?
Nicky P: Well, but you know. You're not telling me, Luke, that it's, it could be good for everybody else though. You know, it's good for them that they all have more jobs than work. It's not like there are fewer resources available, fewer producers available to make other things and less things that could be.
Longer term. The idea of anything that is a disposable item, like an exploding material, being good when we could be making durable goods to last for generations is always just been so flavor silly to me.
Luke Tatum: Yeah. Rob, I mean, do you have anything you wanna maybe jump in, add to that? I, the broken window fallacy at its core is very, very simple.
You know, I think I just laid it out. What's your, what's your kind of take on this?
Where the Best Minds Go [5:00]
Rob Brayton: No, I think it's really good because, and I think Nick was kind of touching on it, right? Think about some of the best minds in a lot of academia, right? They get pulled into these defense industries because they afford, they can afford to pay the top dollar for a lot of these guys to, to go there.
Nick's point of pro, you know, we're focusing all this effort on. A disposable item that blows up once. Right. What if that, that mind that or that, intellectual capital is reapplied in a way that actually benefits society instead of destroys it? Like, do we need to be able to protect ourselves?
Sure. But this is, I mean, I don't want to go into the politics of this particular situation, but, I mean, there's a time for that, but. That, that shouldn't make up the mass majority of a lot of our industry or the government itself. And, and that's really what we see. And it's like, if that was redeployed in other places, could it solve bigger problems that actually benefit society that actually creates more production Like it really would.
But we're instead we're, you know, the broken window is the defense industry in a way because it's. Taking and sucking up all this other capital, intellectual capital dollars, whatever you wanna call it, and applying it in this one specific aspect of the economy when it could actually be doing more, more for society as a whole.
And I mean, I'm not one of these people who's like, you know, a socialist and I want to go, you know, redeploy everybody's funds in all these different ways. Like, that's not it at all. It's more so. If we just think outside the box there, and, and a lot like what Bastiat was saying in that letter was, it's the unseen side of the equation.
What could be done with all of that, that capital, all those resources. It's really limitless. Like we, there's a so much more that could be done as opposed to what we tend to see being done with it today.
Misallocated Resources [7:00]
Luke Tatum: Right, right. I, you know, the. I think war is a really, really clear case. 'cause like, you know, war, you're obviously destroying things.
You are like, you're obviously taking lives. There's some really, really terrible things that happen in war, right? Nobody looks at this and goes, oh wow, that's great. I mean. Maybe some people do, but they shouldn't. Right. But I've also made this case over the years for all kinds of other things. Nick and I have talked about this, you know, privately, it's like, well, imagine if we didn't have millions of laws that we're all expected to follow.
You know, they're just completely abstract, like selectively enforced nonsense. Like how many of those lawyers could maybe do something. More productive than like chasing down people for, you know, and making cases about little infringements on little technical details, you know, of like economic law or whatever, or tax accountants, you know, it's like, I don't, I'm not saying that tax, you know, CPAs shouldn't have jobs.
I'm saying that maybe they could've. Developed talent in a different area if we didn't have this onerous tax code. You know? And so it's just, yeah, the misallocation of resources right
War vs. Data Centers [9:00]
Nicky P: Now, maybe I'm just being conspiratorial and this is why we're having those. 'cause they don't want money spent on data centers to help.
Take their jobs away. 'cause lawyers and accountants and all that are really high up on the people that are losing their jobs thanks to AI. So war must be the thing. They're, we broken windowing all that money away from data centers for AI, so their jobs will last longer. Does that, does that sound conspiratorial or does that make total sense to everybody else?
Luke Tatum: You're totally acting selfish right now. Nick. I can't believe you would want anything to happen in the economy other than building data centers. Like that's just, that's ridiculous. You need to just get on board. All money belongs in data centers. Okay. As a PC gamer, that's especially frustrating, right?
Because the cost of computer parts. I was gonna upgrade my computer in a couple of ways this year. I can't do that. You see the price of ram, it's cheaper to buy an AR 15 than it is to buy a 64 gigs ram right now. I mean, it's ridiculous. So, you know, I know we're having a good time on all this and, and kind of.
Another Middle Eastern Conflict [10:00]
Luke Tatum: Cutting up and laughing, but like the situation on the ground too, I don't wanna make a too much light of what's going on, you know, the US is involved in yet another, potentially very lengthy Middle Eastern conflict. And, you know, we've had sane voices out there for many years analyzing things like the Afghanistan war and, you know, Iraq war and all these things, and kind of.
Putting, let's just say a few questions in the minds of anyone willing to listen about, you know, should we even be doing this stuff? Right? Is this even serving American interest in the first place? You know, you'd kind of touched on, we kind of touched on just ever so slightly the idea of like. When it's okay to deploy violence, you know, these sorts of things.
Like, this is not a defensive war, you know, it's so bad that there's practically like Sumerian tablets saying that Iran was two weeks away from having a nuclear weapon. Right? Like, we've heard this for 45 years, you know? It's ridiculous. It's completely ridiculous.
We Just Don't Believe You Anymore [11:00]
Nicky P: More than it being ridiculous is the fact that the majority of America does not want the war.
Like we're, they're choosing to spend our money, whether or not we want this, and it is so bad at this point that. I'm not sure if you guys saw Matt Walsh's post about it, how blame COVID, but nobody's believing you guys, you're gonna have to prove something to get us, to get us to believe this. Like Matt Walsh is pretty hardcore conservative.
He's on the same network as our boy Ben Shapiro. And even he is like, I'm really struggling to get on board with this one guys. Like, really? You know what is, because thanks to COVID, we just don't believe you anymore. You can't just say, trust me, bro.
Luke Tatum: They're not even changing the script. Right? It's like, you know, I, that's kind of my point with the nuclear weapons thing, right?
It's like, well, they've got the ability to produce a nuclear weapon and a few weeks, and it's like. I was not born five minutes ago, you know, like my whole life they've been saying this. It's
Nicky P: Actually more, it's more egregious than even that Luke, because six months ago they told us that they completely destroyed their ability to do that for decades to come.
Rob Brayton: I was just gonna say that Nick, like I thought the threat was neutralized and we didn't have anything to worry about. Apparently that wasn't true.
Luke Tatum: Limited precision strikes or whatever, right? Yeah. Like I, it's, do y'all remember the name of the general that laid out, you know, that he overheard from a staffer at the Pentagon?
You know, the seven countries that the US was gonna get involved in?
Nicky P: Actually, it's actually a me, it's a memo that's out there. And by the way, he's still saying, oh, that's been blown out, way out of proportion, but. Mostly name, I think. Don't think he wants to. He's got a cushy job he's looking for after he's out.
Luke Tatum: Right. I, you know, maybe we could find a link to that or something. There's plenty of, plenty of ways you can check that out. But there, you know, there's a list of countries and it's been sort of like the plant, you know, somebody like Lindsey Graham has been wanting to go to war with Iran forever.
What Does This Mean for You? [13:00]
Luke Tatum: Right. And it's like, oh, now everybody's on board and we're supposed to just rah-rah America around this, you know? But it's like. For the listener, for you and me, you know, the people here in the United States, like I'm not involved in this conflict in any meaningful way, right? I am not the government.
I'm not having meetings with, foreign powers, right? Like I'm just trying to live my life. So what does this mean for us? Maybe I'll pose that question to the group, just as US citizens trying to, you know, go to work, make a paycheck and, and live. I mean, is this inflation, is this gas prices? Like, what kind of things do we think might come from this?
Inflation, Gas and Gold [14:00]
Rob Brayton: Well, it's most likely gonna be all of the above. You know, I've, I didn't really dig much into markets and stuff today. I just was too busy. But, I, you know, I did see, just prior to joining, you know, some of the asset prices, gold is back up now. Some of the futures prices early this morning were already close to $5,600 an ounce.
You know, again, what is that? What's that highlighting? More inflation and the fact that the dollar's worth that much less, right? So that's just one area. And, and I saw it's come back, you know, into, you know, $5,300 range or whatever. But I mean, regardless, the whole point of it is this is not gonna benefit you or I or our neighbors down the street.
It's not gonna benefit any one of us. And we've heard this same old dog and pony show many times. Well, we need to do this because, and it's like, no, we don't. We really don't. And it, there isn't any benefit for you and me. It's not gonna make our lives any better. And chances are it's not gonna make it any safer either.
Didn't World War II Help? [15:00]
Nicky P: Rob, I thought war is good for economies. Like that was the lesson of World War II, is that the more war we have, the more robust our economy is and makes more money. Right.
Rob Brayton: Well, I mean, some people might think that, but you know, we, it goes right back to our opening discussion, right? If we are, if you're not thinking about the unseen opportunity of what that could do for us, it's, you're completely missing the point and you're being, frankly, you know, propagandized with believing in a certain way.
And we, I mean that, that whole method has just continued again, you know, the same talking points virtually ad nauseum from the last time something like this happened, right? It's just spin it a little bit differently to make you, make you buy into it. And it's just, we don't need to do that. I don't know.
I don't know what you guys think, but I just am very anti this effort in this case.
Nicky P: Well, so to be very clear with the audience, we're trying to find a topic for that. Like the big thing is, well, the only thing to talk about really is war 'cause it's the only thing on anybody's mind right now.
And there's so much economically that goes into any discussion of war and. One of the things I know that we would e every one of us would tell anybody is that saving is the good part. Putting off you're delaying gratification. That's where you make your gains. That's the entire point.
Unless you spend on what you don't need now, live today like nobody else, so you can live like nobody else tomorrow. There's all these different things and yet we've been told for so many years that well. War is good for the economy, knowing full well that destroying capital and resources isn't good for anybody, but it's something that we're trained into.
I think one of the more important things is. I think I was Libertarian thing, Midwest, peace, Liberty Fest a couple years ago talking to a friend of mine and one of the questions I asked was like, so know, why is it that we all, that all libertarians, you know, don't just sink all of our money into Halliburton and Lockheed Martin and all of these companies that we know are gonna make money regardless.
Like, I just know that's gonna happen because we're gonna bomb somebody that's gonna make money. Is it where, at what point is the line for like your ethics versus your need for security? I guess because I think a lot of it is like I can't, I couldn't personally, even though I know it's a safe bet, invest in any of those companies, it is like I make you make life, play life on a hard mode because.
Of my personal beliefs.
Buying a Share Isn't Funding the Company [18:00]
Luke Tatum: Well, you know, something I'm always keen to remind people is like, just 'cause you buy something in the stock market, like you trade a share on the stock market for let's say Lockheed Martin, right? You buy a share of Lockheed Martin, you didn't actually pay Lockheed Martin for that.
Like you might have had a teeny tiny impact on the trading price. You know, unless you're doing huge volume, but you're not. You are not giving them money, right? You're giving somebody else money who used to have a share of Lockheed Martin. They're just transferring between two parties, right? And so, you know, it's, unless you're buying newly issued stock, you're not, you're not really doing that.
So I, you know, I don't feel anything about that, but I also don't trade in the stock market, right? Like, it's not an activity that I participate in. So, That's just a little technical complaint, you know, for me, whenever people get on that sort of thing, I, you know, the thing about war and about all this, like, not only are those companies gonna make money just because.
They, you know, we're going to war, right? They're producing weapons. It's like it, of course, they're gonna make money, but also the amount of money that they make, you know, this is probably a separate episode, but the idea of a boondoggle, right? The. The development of these weapons systems and the bidding up of the price and the cost of them.
You know, you have a jet or something that costs millions, tens of millions of dollars, you know each, and it's like, I don't, I don't actually think that that's the cost of that stuff. You know what I mean? Like yeah, it's an advanced weapons system, but it doesn't actually cost that much to make. It costs money,
Nicky P: But it cost that much seems are definitely not $10,000.
Spending Nobody Can Account For [20:00]
Rob Brayton: Right. Yeah, I mean, anybody who's done any bit of even cursory digging into, you know, some of these defense areas, clearly they, there's so much money that's hidden. You know, in like DARPA for example, like some of that stuff is extremely hard to locate. You don't know exactly what's being spent. And then there's, you know, look how well the government actually audits itself on these areas.
You know, what was it just a few years ago? Oh, we could, we couldn't locate $1.8 trillion in our, in our funds. Like, what do you mean? I mean, the, I mean, you stole it all from us to begin with and or have made it, you know, made it up. So we have to pay it back at a later time. But yet you can't find it.
It's just kind of ridiculous in that way,
Luke Tatum: You know? And if you wrote that on your tax return or whatever, you know, Hey, I just couldn't locate what happened to. You know, orders of magnitude of how much money I brought in. I, you know, I just, I sorry. Right. You can't do that. You can't do that. It's a total, it's a totally uneven game.
Right. We can't hold anyone else accountable to it, but man, you bet. They'll hold us accountable if we can't find 10 cents in our accounting ledger right when we're filing taxes.
Rob Brayton: Well, yeah. You get a nice, really nice sell right next to Al Capone's corpse. So.
Nicky P: So obviously a lot of a lot of heavy topic today because we're talking about war, but I do want to, as we always try to send people out with some optimism, what do we, what do we got to be optimistic about right now,
What Happened After 1945 [22:00]
Luke Tatum: Ash? I mean, I think. I'm gonna take a slightly different angle on this rather than just kind of saying some of the same thing.
I would always say, I, you know, whenever people talk about World War II ending the Great Depression, you know, things like that, right? The idea that, war is good for the economy. This whole kind of theme of the episode. If you, if you. Wants to really just thoroughly annihilate that argument.
Go read America's Great Depression by Murray Rothbard, the great economist. And, but one little point to make on that is that. 1945 is, you know, the end of the war. 46. All, basically all the troops had returned to the United States. We're no longer in a war. These people are going back into private life and becoming citizens again, you know, and, and not being just soldiers.
And that is the single greatest year for economic growth in the history of the United States. [Editor's note: Official figures show real GDP fell sharply in 1946 as wartime spending ended, even as private-sector output grew strongly. Economist Robert Higgs has argued the official numbers understate that postwar boom.] I believe that's still true today. It certainly was a few years ago. And why is that the case? Right? Because private people have the ability to produce wealth and innovate and start companies and help one another, and you know, the idea that.
That when goods don't cross borders, troops do. Right. This kind of thing, like war is a reflection of a failure to communicate and work together, right? In some sense. And so when all those people came back home, started companies, a lot of companies started, you know, in 46, 47, 48, right? If you look at the history of some of the really long running companies in the US a lot of this.
Had just a enormous positive effect on the economy, and it's because those people were alive and returned home to do private economic activity, right, to help one another. It's not because they became contractors for the government, it's not because they worked for Raytheon or Lockheed or you know, any of those, right?
It's because they were. They were trying to recover from, you know, the war and, and that is what drove that. It, I challenge anybody to come contradict it, right? It is, it is the private activity of individual people. And so that is where you should keep your focus, right? Yes. These horrible things are happening.
Yes, you should, you know, support people in the ways that you can and, and all of that, right? Like, do what you can, but. Your center, your focus should always be on, you know, what you can control, your sphere of influence, your family, your immediate community, those kind of things. And what can you do today that's gonna benefit people 10, 20, 50, a hundred years into the future, especially your family, right?
But also all those other groups that your immediate community and stuff. And so, I just think that that is such, it's such a great historical lesson and it's taught exactly the wrong way, right? It's taught well, we should go bomb more countries, right? It's kind of what the takeaway is supposed to be on that, and that's not it at all, right?
You should, you should look to your own and, and not get involved if those people hadn't gone and died in. Foreign countries that would've been even better for the economy, for the world, et cetera, et cetera. Right.
Savings Built the Postwar Boom [25:00]
Nicky P: Well, another point I was gonna make, it's not like there wasn't austerity because nobody's doing anything.
People are busy working to fuel the war machine that, oh, wait. It was more, more saving going on during the war itself than any other point in time in history prior to that. So they then have capital saved up, ready to deploy to start that, that next generation of business. I think the things that make all of the money from the war.
Or like the offsets of the crappy things that the war does to people.
Luke Tatum: I mean, gosh, there we could, we could go way long time on this, you know, but there was, you know, federal advertising to help, you know, encourage people to get chickens and be self-sufficient, right? And to not put such a strain on the economy.
And, and that was before we entered this world of total fiat. Money. Like yes, there was fiat currency. Yes. You know, we were, we were drifting away from the gold standard and all this other stuff, but you know, this was before we were so totally disconnected with trillion dollar deficits and things like that, right?
This was still a time when it was like, it actually costs something politically. And in real terms to go to war, right? When you look at the government's budget, you can't tell me that it's really costing them anything, right? Like everybody's always arguing about how it doesn't even matter if the government has a deficit and all this nonsense, right?
So I just, I'm gonna wrap up the show, I promise.
Nicky P: Say folks, if nothing else, remember the income taxes so they don't have to ask.
Outro and Free Toolkit [27:00]
Luke Tatum: Yes, that's right. That's right. Payroll deductions. It's just magical. So, gosh, if this is a episode that you enjoyed, please let us know in the comments. You know, I'd love to do more.
We could do 10 episodes on just World War II, probably. But, you know, thank you very much for joining us for the, this discussion. You know, it's a heavy topic, but I think we covered what we needed to. If you ask us a full episode, of course you're interested in the world of money, world of, you know, geopolitics perhaps as well.
But, we've got a free toolkit to help you keep your focus kind of where it should be. Your immediate family, your immediate community, those things that we were talking about. And it's got two free video courses, full length video courses, as well as a copy of my Amazon best selling book, between the Lies, how to Reclaim Your Future from the Banks of Wall Street, which are all in bed with the defense contractors.
So. If you'd like that all we are asking is your email address, head on over to perfectspiralcapital.com/podcast and pick that up today. Thanks so much. And also be sure to check out Rob and his separate YouTube channel. His is, Rob Brayton PSC, which you can just find here on YouTube.
Thanks so much for joining us. We'll see you next time.
