Alphabet and Nvidia together make up about 13.5% of the S&P 500, and Bitcoin is a huge asset with a short history. When much of the market is younger than the people trying to read it, the usual indicators don't tell you much. In Episode 016, Nicky P, Luke Tatum and Rob Brayton talk about markets driven by emotion, where Bitcoin's value comes from, why gold still works as a measuring stick, and why they keep their savings somewhere with a long track record.
“Like we are all older than parts of the market.”
Nicky calls himself a layman who looks to others for his market indicators. His question this week: what do you do when the people you look to can only shrug? Big parts of today's market didn't exist 20 years ago, and as Nicky points out, all three of us are older than some of the companies driving it.
What We Covered
Big Tech's share of the market. Rob notes that Alphabet is one of the few companies still standing from the dot-com era, and it now makes up about 6% of the S&P 500. Luke puts Nvidia at roughly 7.5%. Together that's about 13.5% of the index in companies that were small or didn't exist when we were growing up.
Markets run on emotion. Luke's view is that markets are driven by emotion. People decide first and justify it afterward, favoring whatever supports what they already believe. He points to AI companies backing each other with $10 billion deals and asks where the underlying asset is.
Lessons from the early 1900s. Rob compares today to the early 1900s, another long boom. The difference is that those booms were built on tangible assets, so it was easier to tell who the winners might be. Nvidia has real infrastructure behind it, he says, but past that it's hard to say what's really there.
“Anything that is rare can be said to have value based on its rarity.”
What gives Bitcoin value? Luke says anything rare can have value because of its rarity, and a fixed supply is a core idea behind Bitcoin. He's owned crypto himself, but he's skeptical that anyone would accept printed keys on a piece of paper in a grid-down situation. Nicky says the network could run over ham radio, then admits that if everyone has to become a ham radio operator, it won't stay popular for long.
The electrician's test. Nicky trained as an electrician on the logic that if the world ever stops needing electricians, finding work will be the least of his problems. He sees Bitcoin the same way. Luke's counterpoint: in that world, wouldn't you rather have physical things?
Smart money and connected money. Rob sees money moving toward more stable and hard assets, including institutional money that pulled out of Bitcoin around October 10. Luke separates dumb money, smart money and the politically connected, and Nicky brings up the GameStop trading halt. Luke also repeats what he says often: none of this is advice to go trade on.
“I certainly don’t want to be a speculator and tell people that, you know, this is going to happen or that’s gonna happen because we just don’t know.”
Gold as a measuring stick. Gold has done well lately, especially compared to Bitcoin. Luke and Rob both point to gold and silver as things that have held their value against what they can buy for about a hundred years. If people are moving into gold, Rob says, that may be a signal about the currency.
Bitcoin measured in dollars. Nicky points out that most people still measure Bitcoin against the dollar, which makes it hard to tell whether Bitcoin is falling or the dollar is. Luke adds that a new round of stimulus checks paid for with new money would make it even harder to know what anything is worth.
A long track record. Rob says the life insurance industry has a history of stability going back about 200 years, with heavy regulation and large reserve and liquidity requirements. Luke adds that insurers are regulated by the states, not the federal government, and that most of what they hold is high-grade bonds, not a big bet on Nvidia.
Key Takeaway
You don't have to predict where AI or Bitcoin goes next to protect yourself from the swings. Rob's suggestion is to keep a portion of the money that flows through your hands, say 10%, somewhere safe where it keeps growing. Luke's version: if you want to buy Bitcoin while it's on sale, go ahead, but put your money somewhere else first. That's the flow of money we help clients set up at Perfect Spiral Capital.
Key Moments
[2:00] Alphabet and Nvidia: 13.5% of the S&P 500
[4:00] Markets Run on Emotion
[6:00] Lessons From the Early 1900s
[7:00] What Gives Bitcoin Value?
[9:00] The Electrician's Litmus Test
[11:00] Where Is the Smart Money Going?
[14:00] Gold Holds Its Value
[15:00] Bitcoin Measured in Dollars
[19:00] A Long Track Record
[22:00] Put Your Money Somewhere Else First
“I’m not saying don’t do that. I’m just saying. Put your money somewhere else first.”
Related Episodes
Episode 013: Is AI a Bubble? OpenAI's $7.8 Billion Loss and the Circular Financing Behind the Boom
Episode 041: Fort Knox vs. Beijing: Is China About to Expose the World's Gold Lie?
Episode 044: Nvidia's $500 Billion Ask: Why BlackRock, Apollo and Goldman Sachs Are Bankrolling Their Own Customer's Demand
Want the full conversation, including Nicky's electrician test? Listen to the full episode and grab the free toolkit at PerfectSpiralCapital.com/podcast.
FAQ
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When this episode was recorded in November 2025, the hosts put Nvidia at roughly 7.5% of the S&P 500 and Alphabet at about 6%, for a combined share of about 13.5%. Weightings change with share prices, so check a current source for today's numbers.
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Bitcoin has a fixed maximum supply, so much of its value comes from scarcity and from what people are willing to pay for it. In Episode 016, Luke Tatum and Rob Brayton question what the underlying asset is, and Nicky P notes that Bitcoin is usually measured in dollars, which makes its moves harder to read.
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Gold has a very long track record. Luke Tatum and Rob Brayton point out that gold has held its value against what it can buy for about a hundred years, while the dollar has lost much of its purchasing power. That makes gold a useful reference point when the currency itself is changing.
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Luke Tatum and Rob Brayton keep theirs in properly designed whole life insurance from mutual insurance companies. Cash value grows on a contractually guaranteed basis, it isn't tied to the stock market or Bitcoin, and life insurers are regulated by the states with strict reserve requirements. You can borrow against your cash value when an opportunity comes.
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Between The Lies: Episode 016 Transcript
Is the Market in Uncharted Territory? [0:00]
Nicky P: I'm a layman and I look to others from my indicators on the market, but what happens when all they can do is shrug? Because big parts of the modern market have no track record. Welcome to the Between The Lies Podcast, your weekly lesson on how to approach an uncertain world with positivity and balance.
I'm Nicky P here with my good friends and money brains, Luke Tatum and Rob Brayton from Perfect Spiral Capital, as they help us navigate the snares and pitfalls in a world of trust me bro, economics. Stick around to the end of the video for the free toolkit and be sure to like and subscribe if you enjoy what we do, gentlemen.
Is it business as usual or are we in uncharted territory?
Luke Tatum: Gosh, Nick, I think we are in some kind of uncharted territory. I mean, exactly the extent to which I can answer that question as maybe a subjective opinion. But, you know, we've got. AI, we've got Bitcoin tanking to some extent. We've got some crazy stuff on the docket today.
It was kind of hard to nail down what the topic was gonna be 'cause it's like a lot of nebulous insanity, I guess. What do you think, Rob?
No Crystal Ball [1:00]
Rob Brayton: Yeah, I mean it is a lot of uncharted territory to some degree, where we have a lot of, a lot of these companies, a lot of these assets are all based in tech.
And I think that's the thing that we're trying to solve for and, and really see like what is the future? And a lot of us just don't know, and we don't have the crystal ball to say what's gonna happen, where it's going. But at the same time, we have to try to base it off of what we do know and what does that look like?
What are some of those sort of key indicators that we can apply in some areas that at least give us an indication of what might be happening, but. I certainly don't want to be a speculator and tell people that, you know, this is going to happen or that's gonna happen because we just don't know.
Nicky P: Well, the reason I raised this question, and 'cause you know, like I said, we were, we're looking at AI, we're looking at Bitcoin.
I wanna think back and say all of us were around for like the 2008 bubble. We were old enough to kind of know what was going on there. You take it back to the dot-com bubble, and I know Rob, you might be the only one that really remembers that in any real way, and I'm not even sure you do, but Mo like.
Alphabet and Nvidia: 13.5% of the S&P 500 [2:00]
Nicky P: Was one of the companies we were talking about before the video was Alphabet, which was make, what was the percentage of the shares that that thing makes up?
Rob Brayton: Well, yeah, Alphabet's one of the few companies that's like still around from that original era, but at this point it's a behemoth.
Nicky P: But even the dot-com era, was that around?
Okay, this isn't Alphabet like really. 2008.
Rob Brayton: Google wasn't really big yet. They were like still kind of eking out from the early two thousands. But I mean, at this point they're making up a significant part of the S&P. You know, six, well, six. So
Nicky P: We'll tie into that. We have, Nvidia is one of the other.
One of the other ones. It's a huge percentage. Once again. Where was that? Back in, say like the dot-com era, you know, and. These things Between the two? Between the two of 'em. What are we looking at? Like 11% of the market at this point?
Luke Tatum: Yeah, it's 7.5 for Nvidia, roughly. And so what, you said six, right? So we're
Rob Brayton: It's like 13 and a half.
I think, if you wanna be specific.
Nicky P: So 13% of our market is tied up in things that didn't exist. I haven't even, I don't know what the percentage of the market is, but we look at the cap, the S&P,
Luke Tatum: Yeah. Yeah,
Nicky P: Yeah. Well, the cap of what Bitcoin is. What does that look, that's what in third place, I think now, as far as like market cap goes?
Luke Tatum: I believe that's correct.
Yeah. I would have to double check. But I mean, it's a, it's obviously a massive thing at this point when it comes to institutional investing and whatnot. Yeah.
We're Older Than Parts of the Market [4:00]
Nicky P: And so when we look to anyone in the space to tell us what to do. Every single one of them has to deal with the fact that huge sums of modern money are tied up into things that aren't even 20 years old.
Like we are all older than parts of the market.
Luke Tatum: Mm-hmm. It's true
Nicky P: To me. It's like, you know, we all look like any, anyone who's teaching, you know, investment, they'll teach Well, you know, here's a strategy and you look for this little figure when you're looking at the history of the company, but.
We're talking in a lot of cases, you know, when you're dealing in insurance, you guys are dealing with companies that have been around over a hundred years. So yeah, it's easy to kind of predict them. It's what they do is what they've done. But when we are older than the companies we're trying to use to predict how can we possibly reach anything meaningful when we're trying to maneuver around that,
Luke Tatum: Right?
Markets Run on Emotion [4:00]
Luke Tatum: I mean, markets are driven by emotion, right? It's the same old fundamental thing about. Human brains, you know, we all are wired this way. That's how we all work. You make decisions emotionally and then you justify it after the fact and go, oh yeah, yeah, this supports my decision. This supports what I said, so I'm gonna favor that information.
It's confirmation bias and all these things. And so I just feel like we've taken that kind of two extremes. I mean, we did the episode about the AI bubble specifically, and it's like, okay, cool, but. Like if you're all in, if you're trying to have like no dollars and all you have is Bitcoin and you're dumping all your dollars that you still have into Nvidia stock.
I mean like just, I don't know that there is anyone doing this, but hypothetically, right. That's kind of a crazy position to be in given that, you know, Nvidia and, and. Anthropic and some of these companies are all just investing in each other and doing all this stuff, and it's just like, what are we doing?
What? We're propping each other up. We're all making each other feel good. We're all patting each other on the back with $10 billion deals, but where's the underlying asset? You know, where's the, where's the actual reality of? This is value. I, is that a thing? Is there something there?
Rob Brayton: I think that's the challenging part about it, right?
Lessons From the Early 1900s [6:00]
Rob Brayton: Like it's hard for us to say like, this is where the value is. You know, I try to think about history and is there a place in time that kind of gave us some level of parallel and I think back to. Like the early part of the 19 hundreds. It's not all that dissimilar to what we have today. However, what is different, what is different is that back then we had very tangible type assets that a lot of this stuff was built off of.
And we had these huge market booms. The market was growing exponentially. It was growing quickly. We, you know, we've been running through a big bull market for a long time now here, different factors at play, but at least. At that time, it was a little bit easier to understand who the winners and losers may be because they had these large groups of assets that we could say, yep, this per this company might do really well.
We kind of have that with Nvidia because they're one of the largest chip producers and they have the infrastructure, they have that stuff laid out. That's why they tend to be doing well within that space. But outside of that. I, it's hard to say who's what is really there. And even with Bitcoin, like I know some people probably hate on me for this, but is there a real value there?
We haven't figured that out. Yeah. We have energy usage and we can try and take and tie stuff there, but what is that real underlying asset?
What Gives Bitcoin Value? [7:00]
Luke Tatum: Yeah. Because again, because again, it's driven by like, to some level, it's driven by public sentiment, right? Anything that is rare can be said to have value based on its rarity.
Right? That's one of the core principles of Bitcoin. There's a fixed amount that can exist. Right. But usability wise, like when you have. No electricity or whatever. Well, yeah, if you have printed keys, I was just talking about this with a client of mine. If you have printed keys for every Bitcoin that you own, you know, you don't, you don't own your coins unless you own your keys, you know, that kind of mentality.
Okay. Yes, fine. I acknowledge, like, I'm not Bitcoin ignorant. Okay. Like I've owned crypto, and Bitcoin, but, you know, okay, but is somebody seriously gonna take my word for it, if I hand them the. Like physical pieces of paper or whatever that have my keys printed on 'em. Oh, trust me, bro. That's actually a Bitcoin address.
You know what I mean? Like. Really? Is that what we're really gonna do if we have a grid down type situation? Like a severe situation like that? I don't know. I don't know if that's really gonna happen.
Ham Radio and the Grid-Down Test [9:00]
Nicky P: Well, that's actually not what you would do in a grid down situation. In a grid down situation. It would actually work off of ham radios, but that's okay.
Another, I'm
Luke Tatum: Still, I am
Nicky P: Still
Luke Tatum: Skeptical.
Nicky P: Well, no, I would say still be skeptical because. If the requirement for the Bitcoin network working is that everyone switch over to be ham radio operators, I don't see it staying in vogue at that point. You know, is it, would it function? Yes. But is that really functional at that point?
Luke Tatum: Yeah. Yeah. Is anyone gonna actually do that? Are we all just telling each other that so that we'll feel better because we have a lot of money tied up in Bitcoin. You know what I'm saying? Like
Rob Brayton: There's a lot of confirmation bias taking place in that situation.
The Electrician's Litmus Test [9:00]
Nicky P: Now to be fair, a and, and I always use this as my litmus, is that people have been tell, like I wouldn't, in I was trained as an electrician and the reason I became trained as an electrician is based on the simple fact that if we ever run out of a need for electricians.
I am probably not concerned about work, 'cause there's gonna be more of it than we will ever need if it's manual labor than whatever. I feel kind of the same way about Bitcoin. If we ever reach a situation where Bitcoin doesn't function as it's supposed to, we all have way bigger problems than Bitcoin like.
Like, how are we dealing with the new Stone Age?
Luke Tatum: Right? But wouldn't you rather have like physical stuff at that point? You know? And so that's I think, the kind of counterpoint that people don't like to get into. It's like, you know, well, hey, I've got a bunker full of usable things, so maybe I'm in a better position.
You know what I mean?
One Digital Thing Versus Another [10:00]
Nicky P: Well, and, and you know, what if the choice was between you holding actual physical gold and silver. 100%, but that's actually not what most people investments are. Their investments are, Hey, we have a bunch of shares that you hold on a computer somewhere. And that's what, it's one digital thing versus another digital thing like.
This does, oh, bring me back to the thing that originally sparked this question is because we've seen a lot of, shifting in the past couple weeks as far as like these new technologies go. Bitcoin has taken a turn where people are like, oh my God, it's the bit apocalypse. And to me, I don't see that being a thing.
Like 15% is what it looks like. Is
Rob Brayton: I don't either.
Nicky P: I, and I see very specific things happening there to my layman brain. In the same vein, we've also seen a lot of shifts in this week as far as like the tech sector goes and people moving their money from one thing to another. Rob, I think you have a little bit more information on that than I have.
Where Is the Smart Money Going? [11:00]
Rob Brayton: Yeah. One of the things that we were looking at, and I, there's certainly been some shifting to more. Stable type assets or hard assets within the market. I think that's where we've seen some of these pullbacks in some of, in some of the areas where people are kind of fleeing, I don't wanna say fleeing, but they're definitely buffering for safety because it does feel like there's a lot of volatility taking place and that's where a lot of that sort of smart money, if you wanna call it that, or institutional money seems to be moving in that direction and.
You know, just using Bitcoin as that example, you go back to what, October 10th when there was a huge withdrawal within that market. There was a lot of institutional money that was pulled out in that situation too. So like those are just some of the examples where they are moving. Even some of those groups are saying, well, Bitcoin's good, but we also need something that's even a little bit more safe than that.
So, I think that's where we're seeing a lot of those kind of shifts, but what are they shifting for and why? I think that's what all of us are probably more thinking is if the money's moving in this direction, what are they seeing that we are not? And, and if we're not seeing it, what's the a the average Joe, the average person, the layman, we're not, they're not seeing it either, so,
Luke Tatum: Right.
Dumb Money, Smart Money, Connected Money [13:00]
Luke Tatum: I mean, yeah, you have this element of. You know, there's dumb money, there's smart money, and then there's like the politically. Very, very well connected, ultra wealthy, ultra ahead of the curve. People, you know, insider trading is illegal, but only if they tell you got caught.
Right. That kind of a thing. Or if you're laughing, it's not
Rob Brayton: Pelosi.
Luke Tatum: That's right. That's right.
Nicky P: You mean those, you mean those people that when it looked like GameStop was gonna turn on them, they stopped the market from trading. People.
Luke Tatum: Yes. Yes. The things that you're like, huh, well, that, how could that possibly have happened?
And that's because well, they know and you don't, and they're not gonna tell you. And so that kind of stuff, I mean, could we be seeing that? Is there major stuff that's right around the corner that we are finding out about because of who's making big moves today? I don't know. I don't know if that's true, and I guess we should say on probably every episode of this show, none of this is investment advice.
Gold Holds Its Value [14:00]
Luke Tatum: Please don't go do any trading based on what we're talking about. We're just having a conversation here. Right. But, you know, what I thought was interesting was that gold, you know, is doing pretty darn well recently, especially compared to Bitcoin, especially compared, you know, over the last like month.
Right. This Bitcoin stuff is declining and declining and declining, and I know Rob, you and I both would point to gold and silver as things that have maintained their value. Right? It's the same value relative to the stuff that you can buy as it was a hundred years ago.
Rob Brayton: It's just a great reference point to use because it does, the value of it just generally does not change.
So, if. But at the same time, if people are moving into gold, then that should tell us that maybe there's something up from a currency perspective. From I, and, and again, this isn't to speculate in all these different areas, it's just that. We're trying to, I mean, we're trying to figure it out and we're fair.
We pay a pretty good amount of attention to this and a lot of other people are, you know, trying to do the same thing. So we're just trying to enlighten people the best that we can in this situation.
Bitcoin Measured in Dollars [15:00]
Nicky P: Another thing I kinda wanna bring up, 'cause you've mentioned some stuff that. Touches on this makes me think about it, is that we're looking at gold, silver, things like that have an extremely long track record.
We can look and see how they do. We as mentioned, Bitcoin doesn't have a track record that we're used to following. We. But something that is peculiar to Bitcoin is that, as with other currencies, there's kind of like a global way in which they've worked, whereas the average person is still used to thinking of Bitcoin measured against dollars.
That's just how no one has thinks of Bitcoin as its own asset class, as ass is being completely separate. It's just, oh, been treated as an offshoot, and I think that that muddies the water as far as like that can ever look like, or at least. Until those two things detach in some way and they're looked at separately, I feel like just the dollar being, what the dollar is taints that, like, is the Bitcoin shrinking because the dollar is shrinking?
Stimulus Checks and Pricing Anything [16:00]
Luke Tatum: Yeah, I mean, it's always hard to say, like, we've had these conversations about, oh, are we gonna send out stimulus checks to everyone again? And you know. Like if that happens, how much new money is gonna get printed? 'cause you know, they're not actually gonna take it from the tariffs and, you know, send it out to people.
And not that the tariff money is even enough. Right? And so are we just inflating the currency again? You know, when things like this happen when a lot, a lot, a lot of new money enters the market, how the hell do you price anything? It's experimentation and it takes a while to actually figure out, oh yeah, okay, this is what the price level is now.
Deficits Look Smaller as the Debt Grows [17:00]
Nicky P: Well, didn't the, continuing resolution that just passed, Last I knew it had to be approved by Trump, but it was good, isn't it? Saying we're gonna ra or the debt is gonna raise $6 trillion in like the next year. If you're going by like what Rand Paul says, I haven't seen that yet, but that sounds bad.
Rob Brayton: Yeah, well, they're agreeing to continue the deficit spending. That's essentially what that that does. And I mean, that's money that does not exist. So it has to come from somewhere, meaning it gets printed
Nicky P: Well, but you know, now we're into the realm of percentages. And you know. What percentage does 6 trillion actually mean in our national debt?
Because, well, you know, the national debt's bigger than that. It's a percentage. It's not the whole thing. You know, our debt is getting to the point where, well, you know, it's not that big of a number compared to the actual debt, so it's just making it a little bigger. And the worse we get the debt, the more it looks like that, the more it looks like less like nothing.
It's like. Our debt is so bad that deficit spending actually looks better when we do it.
And, and, and maybe we'll add that to the list of things like when we were kids, that wasn't a thing. There was no such thing as a deficit like that. Like yeah, we owed some money, but
Rob Brayton: Yeah, the deficits certainly were not that big. That's for sure. I mean, we're talking about 8% of the total, 8% of the total debt.
As a deficit for a single year. That's pretty significant.
Nicky P: So once again, add that to the list of ways in which, what is this market? Is it anything resembling like what the markets that we were, you know, brought up in, it's, everything's new in the past 20 years. So, you know what I look to, I mentioned at the beginning is you, this, you're both.
A Long Track Record [19:00]
Nicky P: You know, in the insurance market, IBC works in that system. And the beauty of that system is there is no real speculation as far as how that market could be's. 'cause it's got a very, very long track record compared to everything else. Now granted, it functions in the broader market, but you're pretty stable on how your stuff works.
Rob Brayton: Yeah, it's extremely stable. You know, it had, we have what, 200 years of history? In terms of stability in those mar in those particular products, in that, that industry. And not only that, part of it is it also is highly regulated that it has to be very, consistent. It has to have a lot of reserves, it has to have a lot of liquidity.
Like they have to operate the way that, frankly, most all businesses probably should. But, That, that's the great part about it is it's fully reserved. It's always backed up. You have a lot of capital there, and it provides a lot of security. And that, frankly, I mean, in the, in an environment like this, knowing that you have security, knowing that you have the ability to not only maintain or even outpace inflation at some level, depending upon how you, how you have things set up, and that just provides a lot of comfort.
And you can continue to accumulate capital even in a situation like this. And at least that adds a lot of security for people. And if they don't have that, I highly encourage someone to start looking into it, to, 'cause if you have, you know, let's say 10% of the money that flows through your hands in a safe place that you know is going to continue to accumulate for you.
Hey, that, that's a good feeling to have and it provides a lot of safety, especially in a very volatile cycle like we're in now.
What's on an Insurer's Books [21:00]
Luke Tatum: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, insurance companies are state regulated, not federally regulated. Right. That's a huge boon with how crazy greedy the federal government is.
The, you know, books of a life insurance company are so. So secured, right? I mean, it's long-term AAA rated corporate bonds. It's not, they're not buying Nvidia stock, you know what I mean? They might have some shares. Okay. But they're not, they're not gonna go, Hey man, NVIDIA's making all this money and put 90% of their books in it.
They're not gonna put even 10% of their books in it. Mm-hmm. It's a difference between my dividends not the collapse of their company. Right. Right. Because insur fundamentally, right. We deal with mutually owned life insurance companies. They are owned by the people who own the company. The people who own the company wanna see a dividend.
They wanna see long-term, success. They want the company to be around to pay claiming, claims whenever the. You pass away, right? Like, if I die, I want this company to be able to pay a death benefit. I want them to be in safe assets, so they are right. That's how I'm gonna vote. And so it just, that's where you wanna be, right?
Put Your Money Somewhere Else First [22:00]
Luke Tatum: Bitcoin's on sale. You wanna buy more Bitcoin, guess what? It's a real easy thing to do. If you got a lot of capitalization in your life insurance policy, you know, I'm not saying don't do that. I'm just saying. Put your money somewhere else first. You know there is a proper flow of money, like Rob said, earmark portion of your income or what have you.
You're good to go. You don't have to question your financial life when these major market shifts happen. So, but I mean, all that being said, I know we're buttoning up on time guys, so, I'm just gonna say to everyone, thank you so much for joining us once again on the Between The Lies Podcast. If you watch the full episode, then I know you're interested in the future of money.
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